Komentari na članak: Da li će akcelerator koji razvijaju naučnici u Sarajevu promijeniti Bosnu i Hercegovinu?

JoseOrtega 2,9k

26.9.2026.

Naučnici su zarobljeni u petlji: grade akcelerator kako bi oponašali zapadni napredak, no globalno tržište jednostavno čeka da se oni kod kuće vrhunski obuče, samo da bi ih kasnije ionako apsorbovalo u pravi CERN ili Njemačku. Akcelerator ne zaustavlja odliv mozgova, on ubrzava pripremu za njega. Dakle zapadne velesile zbog hijerarhije kapitalizma ne dopuštaju "perifernim" nacijama da se razvijaju pa bi i akcelerator služio kao priprema stručnih ljudi za zapadno tržište.

EdmondOffermann 8

26.9.2026.

There is a lot to unpack in your comment.The reader will not know how much an accelerator costs if you do not specify the type. If you listen carefully to Dr. Amer Ajonovic, you hear that we are developing a novel type that is compact and low cost and can handle very high-intensity particle beam, an RFQ (https://indico.cern.ch/event/432948/contributions/1929650/attachments/1124798/1605454/module7_RFQ_s2.pdf)

EdmondOffermann 8

26.9.2026.

The good news is that we have the funds to develop, purchase and commission the different parts with a BiH team stationed at CERN. When ready this will come to UNSA/PMF Sarajevo and be the starting point of further development.

EdmondOffermann 8

26.9.2026.

Ought, now we are going down that rabbit hole called conspiracy ;-)I guess a few words about how these large collaborations like CERN work. About 20% of the people at such a facility are employed by CERN, the rest comes from the member states. One of the first important steps of this enterprise was to get entry into CERN for BiH; this was accomplished in 2021. Please have a look at the section "International Relations" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN#International_relations

EdmondOffermann 8

26.9.2026.

Each country has a finite amount of money for fundamental research & development. Better to have other countries join your collaborations than poaching their scientist.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

26.9.2026.

After carefully looking at the CERN slides, it shows that this machine requires hyper-precision (under 30 microns) and perfect conditions to function. Bringing a device that needs microscopic perfection into a university facing massive everyday disorganization is a major mismatch. Building it in Genevas flawless environment creates a false sense of progress. The real issue isn't buying the device, but keeping it alive in a local system that lacks basic laboratory essentials.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

26.9.2026.

Furthermore, it requires constant cooling, maintenance and high electricity bills. The project will never survive if it relies on standard local funding or traditional university management. It can only survive if it functions as an international outpost, a localized "embassy" of European science that happens to sit in Sarajevo, funded by external user fees and strictly policed by international stakeholders.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

26.9.2026.

Also you mention that it was a "low-cost" accelerator but I see at as a mask concealing the fact that it's still extremely expensive and complex to maintain. It would still cost couple of millions of EUR and it's maintenance would cost hundreds of thousands per year. It's low-cost compared to the ones in CERN or other bigger particle accelerators.

EdmondOffermann 8

26.9.2026.

Yes that is a challenge and that is what physicists like. Luckily the numbers you quote are needed in the fabrication of the RFQ which is a solid piece of Copper. Alignment of the elements like Source, RFQ , bending magnet is not as critical . A setup like this has been transported for archeological measurements.I assume that you have not worked in an environment like CERN, it is definitely not flawless.

EdmondOffermann 8

26.9.2026.

In general, what seems to missed by many is that it is more about the path towards the destination than the destination itself. Many young employable scientists will be produced along the way.

EdmondOffermann 8

26.9.2026.

So tell me more about the cooling and the electricity bill. The project is embedded in an international collaboration, I was hoping that you would recognize that that is the whole point of this endeavor .

JoseOrtega 2,9k

26.9.2026.

Yes exactly, many young employable scientists which will leave the country and work somewhere else. That it the whole point. And it's not a conspiracy. This is literally how capitalism functions. I understand that you are a physicist and you don't want it to be that way. Trust me, me neither but it unfortunately is. You depend on the grants to survive and that sucks as well. I am just being realistic and careful and critical as all scientists should be, correct ?

EdmondOffermann 8

26.9.2026.

Please stop making these exaggerated statements. Homework for you : I = 1 mA and V = 2 MeV. How much energy is consumed ....

JoseOrtega 2,9k

26.9.2026.

You are trying to argue the matter of the public with your expertise and you are using the arguments of your expertise in an argument with someone who isn't a physicist. Please tell me the yearly cost of maintenance for this project ? What happens if there is for example water outage (as it's currently happening) ? I don't care about the specific mathematical formula, this is a mater of how the state is able to maintain this and what effect would it produce.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

26.9.2026.

And the effect it would produce is that majority of those young scientists would leave for other countries because Bosnia lacks the industrial and technological complexes to sustain this kind of research. And then the important question : Why is an economically struggling country spending its finite fundamental research budget to feed the infrastructure of a Western superpower?

EdmondOffermann 8

26.9.2026.

So the maintenance of the hardware will be ~20,000 EUR/year at most. When the machine is running it will use around 10kW (that is 5 vacuum cleaners ;-)). There is no cooling at these levels needed. The machine will be used and maintained by a professor and his students, that is their learning experience.And indeed right now no water like 40 years ago :-( But what other alternative is there, we have to go forward or all emigrate

kxuser6aa71bd15 60

26.9.2026.

Ako ovakav projekat prođe to će stvoriti atmosferu da mladi naučnici ostanu u ovoj zemlji jer će moći da se bave istraživanjem u sklopu Univerziteta bez da moraju napuštati državu I otići negdje drugo

EdmondOffermann 8

26.9.2026.

an economically struggling country has limits on a fundamental research budget ! However, whatever budget it has should be spend wisely. In other words, the decision should not lie in the hands of politicians but in the hands of a science council (that also has international members). If BiH can show that it can manage a program, help will come from outside countries. Right now we are getting resources / manpower from CERN in this project. No doubt this is an chicken and egg problem.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

26.9.2026.

Ok but now you are comparing a particle accelerator to a vacuum cleaner, a slight downgrade in importance and complexity. And also you presented a false dichotomy: either Bosnia builds this cheap machine, or everyone leaves. The accelerator is a fetish to mask systemic failure. A professor and students playing with a low-cost machine isn't structural progress, it's a therapeutic sandbox.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

26.9.2026.

Also you are suggesting that budgeting is purely a scientific question of pure numbers and statistics but it isn't. It concerns every single citizen. But who selects this council? What are its hidden priorities? To outsource the sovereign economic decisions of a struggling nation to a panel of 'international experts' is not democracy; it is the ultimate form of colonial technocracy.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

26.9.2026.

Science budgets are always political. Deciding to spend millions on an ion accelerator instead of fixing a oncology ward or primary school roofs is a political, ethical choice. You cannot outsource ethics to international physicists who don't have to live in Bosnia's economic reality.

EdmondOffermann 8

27.9.2026.

Unfortunately you are missing an important point. You can use science (buying a machine to treat patience) or participate in developing science. (developing new technology). The first option is immediately noticeable and important for the citizens of BiH but the second one is necessary to make it all sustainable, this country has to start creating revenue. This is a long long path but it has been taken before by many.Again I invite you to come to PMF and watch what is going on.

convict072 1,2k

27.9.2026.

Akcelerator ove vrste ti daje mogućnost da ravnopravno učestvuješ u određenim projektima naučne saradnje. Ovo bi bilo prvi put da imamo nešto što je potrebno za modernu nauku, nešto što kroz projekte kreira novac i radna mjesta. Ulaganje u njegovo održavanje sigurno košta manje na desetogodišnjem nivou nego izgradnja kružnog toka.

convict072 1,2k

27.9.2026.

Generalno, naši problemi i jesu povezani s činjenicom da bi političari radije odvojili budžetska sredstva da naprave kilometar puta do nekog sela odakle im dolaze glasovi, a ne za fundamentalne naučne projekte koji su preduslov za otvaranje firmi koje koriste napredne tehnologije. Mi smo tako, gradeći kružne tokove, obnavljajući fasade milionerima sa Ferhadije i zapošljavajući podizače rampi na auto-putu, gledali kako propada potencijal najvrjednijeg dijela našeg društva.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

27.9.2026.

Oh I know that 100%, don't get me wrong, I agree with you and I have listened to your introductory speech and you are right. But what I am referring to isn't whether the fundamental science is important or not. I was simply stating an example but it can be anything. My point was that budgeting peoples tax money should involve people and shouldn't be purely based on abstract numbers by some experts. And the title of this article is also sensationalistic saying it will change BiH.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

27.9.2026.

And I would love nothing more than for all of this to become true and be as revolutionary but my concern is that it has a high chances of failure and at best it's still going to train people so they can leave. I believe there is a much higher priority to restructure the University, reduce corruption and make it an independent, liberal stronghold with critical thinking. Make professors realize what an original research is and not just publish anything for the sake of mere numbers and money.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

27.9.2026.

Highly educated people in Bosnia don't leave because they don't have money. They leave precisely because they can never advance in their careers. Constant sabotage by older professors, corruption, nepotism... This is particularly true for scientists but also for other professions. No fancy machine can change the psychology and until society collectively doesn't try to change this, I am afraid nothing will work.

JoseOrtega 2,9k

27.9.2026.

It allows the ruling elite to say, "Look, we are modernizing!" while keeping the corrupt, nepotistic power dynamics exactly the same. And this is exactly what's going to happen. Government will brag about this for a while, people will cheer and nothing will change.

EdmondOffermann 8

28.9.2026.

I share your concerns. So I am vocal about the following changes to the system:1. Create real universities, for instance close Travnik2. All MS and PhD thesis will be in English so that outsides can read and criticize.3. All PhD committees will have somebody from outsideIn general change changes can only be made by forces from outside. Politicians are there to be USED, like an iPhone, the model is old they will be recycled ;-)

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