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PostPostao/la Gaia dana 13/10/2008 15:30

da li ste culi za sabijske simbole?
da li ste ih koristili? ako jeste, kakva su vasa iskustva?

"The Sabian Symbol story is embedded in the ancient cultures of the Middle East. Marc Edmund Jones felt that there was an "unseen agency" - an external, esoteric mind-set at work in the birthing of the Sabian Symbols. Connection was made through a 'Brother', a member of the ancient Mesopotamian brotherhood, the Sabian Brotherhood. He believed that they were the 'voices' that were spiritually behind Elsie Wheeler, delivering the messages that became the Symbols."

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PostPostao/la Bosanac sa dna kace dana 30/10/2008 15:09

jesu sabijski simboli isto sto i mandejski ameluti?
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PostPostao/la Gaia dana 30/10/2008 17:14

nisu isto samo pripadaju istoj grupi – sabijskoj. simboli su nastali tek 1925 godine i namjena im je da budu od pomoci covjeku koji nastoji razviti snagu sopstvenog kreativnog duha, dok su mandejski amuleti sluzili da covjeka zastite od ‘zlog oka’ ili kao pomoc pri iscjeljivanju oboljelog tijela.
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An Historical Outline of the Word Sabian
(In Reference to the Sabian Assembly)
Presented at the Sabian Midwinter Conference of 1995
by Diana E. Roche

3250 BCE - Sumerians

It is the Sumerians, "Sabaeans," who Dr. Marc Edmund Jones identified as the fifth sub-race of the Atlantean root race.
Funk and Wagnalls New Encyclopaedia, 1973, s.v. "Sumer," Dr. Marc Edmund Jones, The Sabian Manual, rev. ed. (Boulder: Sabian Publishing Society, 1976, 18-19.

1200 BCE - Yahwists

The Yahwists were also called the Hebrews, an amalgam of Semitic (Sabaean) tribes pledging allegiance to Yahweh, the God of Moses.
Dr. Marc Edmund Jones, Occult Philosophy (Philadelphia: David McKay Company, 1974); Karen Armstrong, A History of God (New York: A. Knopf, 1994), 21

1000 BCE - Sheba or Saba

Sheba, or Saba, was the ancient kingdom of south-western Arabia (now Yemen). The inhabitants were called Sabaeans. The Queen of Sheba/Solomon connection is mentioned in I Kings 10: 1-13.
Funk and Wagnals, 1973, s.v. "Sheba or Saba."

100 CE - Christian Gnostic Mandeans

The Christian Gnostic Mandeans were called Sabians, or those who are washed (or baptized). They were connected to John the Baptist and still exist today.
Dan Merkur, Gnosis (Albany: State University of New York Press, 1993, 200; Dr. Marc Edmund Jones, The Sabian Manual, 19.

830 CE - Harranites

The people of Harran identified themselves with the Sabians as a protection against the Islamic persecution of Al-Mamun (the Koran offered sanctuary to Sabians). They adopted Hermetic traditions and passed this Egyptian lore to the European occultists. Harran subsequently became the clearinghouse of Arabian enlightenment. The achievements of the philosophers of this place and period, with their link to Ibn Gabirol, provide inspiration and challenge to the present Sabian Assembly group.
Dr. Marc Edmund Jones, The Sabian Manual, 19-20; The Holy Qur'an, ed. Maulana Muhammed Ali, 7th ed. rev. (USA: Lahore, Inc., 1991) 2:62, 31 n. 103.

1923 CE - Sabian Assembly

On October 17, 1923, in Los Angeles, what is now The Sabian Assembly had its tangible beginning in a class that Dr. Marc Edmund Jones conducted under the sponsorship of Manly Palmer Hall at the Church of the People. The original emphasis in the classwork was astrological. Later the group broadened its studies to include philosophy and the Bible.

"The present employment of 'Sabian' was in the nature of a 'lucky accident,' a matter of gradual growth and development rather than design. The use of the word began casually with the members of the group. In the lessons the archaic Babylonian or Syrian culture had been termed Sabian, because the traditional "Chaldean" has gained undesirable connotation in the twentieth century ... but while an intuitional debt to Babylonian sources has been very great, throughout all the earlier group activities, there was yet no intention of finding a label for the work as a whole through that channel. The advantage of the name, however, is marked. It is completely and perfectly indefinite" and it does represent people who were interested in what was then astrology.

"The Sabian body of students is well named because its principal objects of research are the superstitions of humanity. The ancient Syrians who gave the word to the language, and the Harranites who pursued devious and dark ways of self-development, instinctively knew that the fears and vague inner apprehensions of man are intuitions of the ever-elusive truth, no matter how false they may be. They also realized the principle to which modern thinking often blinds itself--although a true science does not--that it is through these vague and almost unaccountable superstitions that the first grasp of the most exalted understanding is often to be found. Therefore this present-day research body frankly acknowledges its beginning, but by no means its final goal, in the star or potentiality worship of the original Sabians."1

The Sabian project is identified formally as the SABIAN ASSEMBLY. As a school of thought it is the PHILOSOPHY OF CONCEPTS. As an initiatory organism it is said to be the SABIAN PORTAL OF THE SOLAR MYSTERIES. Reference to it commonly is as the SABIAN WORK or GROUP.2
1Dr. Marc Edmund Jones, The Ritual of Living, (Los Angeles: J.F. Rowney Press, 1930, 14; Id, 2The Sabian Manual, 15.

"As a word, 'Sabian' comes from the Hebrew 'Sabaoth,' the plural of 'army' as found in the scriptural phrase 'Lord of Hosts' (Romans 9:29), and the Sabian Philosophy is properly to be understood as the study not of the stars, the 'powers' to whom the Sumerian masses transferred the Sabian worship, but the "potentialities" of all life and all manifestation in all things." (Dr. Marc Edmund Jones, "That Word Sabian." "The Message 3, No. 6 (June-July, 1927), 4-5.

Sabian AstrologyTM identifies the system of astrology as developed by Dr. Marc Edmund Jones, set forth in his many books from 1941 through 1980, and practiced by his students today.

The Sabian Symbols, a series of 360 astrological vignettes, originated as a Sabian Assembly project. They were brought through by Dr. Marc Edmund Jones and one of his clairvoyant Sabian students, Elsie Wheeler, in 1925 in Balboa Park, San Diego, California.

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PostPostao/la Gaia dana 30/10/2008 17:29

The True Sabians


There is one and only one group that are the true Sabians, the Sabians of the Qu’ran, the Sabaeans of the Bahai, the Sabians from whom the Harranians stole the name, the Mandaeans. The Sabeans of South Arabia are a separate group and appear to have nothing to do with the Sabians (Mandaeans) or Sabaeans of Harran.

The Mandaeans were in existence before the birth of Jesus. Their baptism rituals have remained pretty much unchanged for the last 2,000 years. They were known by the name Nasoraeans or Nazoraeans. They had no kingdom to claim their own nor were they a state religion. Their theology existed in many cities throughout the Palestine and Mesopotamian area.

The Nasoraean (Mandaean) theology existed before Jesus. The theology spilt into many sections. Some groups retained the name Nasoraeans but chose to follow Jesus and some retained the name Nasoraeans but chose to follow Jewish laws. Some of the Nasoraeans names were changed. The names Sabaeans, Masbuthaeans Sampsaeans, and Basmothaeans, all reflect the same origin Subbi- those who baptize. Click here for more details on the Pre-Christian Nazoreans (Mandaeans).

It is a common belief that the word Sabian (Sabaean) comes from Sabi'un ("Convert"), meaning one who 'converts' from the worship of many gods to the worship of the “One True God”. Arab lexicographers explain the word sabi as being derived from the verb, which means “arise, apostatize” or “incline, turn away from the (true) religion”. Thus giving the meaning “ those who take on a new religion other than their own” just like Mohammed did. Abu Jafar Muhammad ibn al-Tabari (838-922) is credited with being the first who wrote of this meaning. In his commentary book on the Qu’ran he examines the etymology of the word Sabi’un and is the first to give the meaning of sabi as someone who takes on a new religion other than his own.

Western scholars do not accept this definition and while they differ on the etymology, they do all agree that the word Sabi’un is not of Arab origin. The most logical theory is that the word used by the Arabs was originally Mandaic (the language of the Mandaeans). In Mandaic the verb “sb” was developed from the Syriac verb. In Mandaic the ayn of the Syriac is changed into the alaf in Mandaic. The Arabs then borrowed the word root “sb” from the Mandaeans.

The Harranians, who worshiped the planets and the stars and sacrifice to these deities, had successfully managed to have their religious practices validated in order to exist within the bounds of Islamic society. The effects are felt even today with the new age groups claiming to be based on these ancient practices of astrology and “spells” and thus using the terms Sabaeans or Sabians in the titles of their sects. These constant reminders of what the Harranians stood for, astrology, planet worship, and even human sacrifices, still taint the TRUE Sabians, the Mandaeans.

Today there are several books and articles in which the Sabians (Sabaeans, Sabeans) have been explored, discussed, and arrived at a decision. It amazes me how many of these articles side with the Harranians being the Sabians of the Qu’ran because of the most flimsy evidence. If seems as though people are willing to believe Abraham would have been one and Mohammed would have condoned the practices of the Harranians in the worship of the moon god Sin as well as the other various Mesopotamian deities. Yet many writers ignore the massive amounts of evidence both circumstantial and direct that supports and confirms the Mandaeans as the original Sabians (Sabaeans).

This article will deal with all the various Sabian groups and the evidence that will stack up to validate the claim that the Mandaeans are the True Sabians.

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PostPostao/la Bosanac sa dna kace dana 30/10/2008 21:42

Gaia je napisao/la:nisu isto samo pripadaju istoj grupi – sabijskoj. simboli su nastali tek 1925 godine i namjena im je da budu od pomoci covjeku koji nastoji razviti snagu sopstvenog kreativnog duha, dok su mandejski amuleti sluzili da covjeka zastite od ‘zlog oka’ ili kao pomoc pri iscjeljivanju oboljelog tijela.

ok, znaci opet neki izum s zapada, konto sam da to veze ima sa Mandejcima...jel mozes postavit slike sabijskih simbola?
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PostPostao/la Gaia dana 31/10/2008 15:37

Bosanac sa dna kace je napisao/la:
Gaia je napisao/la:nisu isto samo pripadaju istoj grupi – sabijskoj. simboli su nastali tek 1925 godine i namjena im je da budu od pomoci covjeku koji nastoji razviti snagu sopstvenog kreativnog duha, dok su mandejski amuleti sluzili da covjeka zastite od ‘zlog oka’ ili kao pomoc pri iscjeljivanju oboljelog tijela.

ok, znaci opet neki izum s zapada, konto sam da to veze ima sa Mandejcima...jel mozes postavit slike sabijskih simbola?


izvor "izuma" je drevna mezopotamija. slike simbola je tesko naci na internetu. evo slika 29º "zena koja gleda u solju caja". kao sto se kod nas gledalo u solju kafe. :)

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PostPostao/la Bosanac sa dna kace dana 31/10/2008 21:21

Gaia je napisao/la:
Bosanac sa dna kace je napisao/la:
Gaia je napisao/la:nisu isto samo pripadaju istoj grupi – sabijskoj. simboli su nastali tek 1925 godine i namjena im je da budu od pomoci covjeku koji nastoji razviti snagu sopstvenog kreativnog duha, dok su mandejski amuleti sluzili da covjeka zastite od ‘zlog oka’ ili kao pomoc pri iscjeljivanju oboljelog tijela.

ok, znaci opet neki izum s zapada, konto sam da to veze ima sa Mandejcima...jel mozes postavit slike sabijskih simbola?


izvor "izuma" je drevna mezopotamija. slike simbola je tesko naci na internetu.

pa ope tu nema te neke originalnosti, kao recimo kod ovih mandejskih hamajlija za koje neki kazu da fakat djeluju :shock:
ne kontam sto je tesko nac slike simbola ma internetu??? :?
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PostPostao/la Gaia dana 01/11/2008 14:46

ako te tema zbilja zanima naruci si knjigu i upoznaj se bolje sa materijom.
evo ti jedan primjer za pocetak:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0452285410/ref=sib_dp_ptu#reader-link
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PostPostao/la Bosanac sa dna kace dana 01/11/2008 14:59

a joj, sad se ovo iz jedne diskusije okrenu na reklamiranje knjiga... :skoljka:
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PostPostao/la Gaia dana 01/11/2008 15:18

valjda se prvo trebas upoznati sa materijom o kojoj zelis diskutirati. :wink:
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PostPostao/la Bosanac sa dna kace dana 02/11/2008 00:34

Gaia je napisao/la:valjda se prvo trebas upoznati sa materijom o kojoj zelis diskutirati. :wink:

aham jes, neke teme na ovom forumu imaju obrazovni karakter a neke komercijalni :), ova teme izgleda nema obrazovni karakter :skoljka: :run:
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PostPostao/la Gaia dana 02/11/2008 01:14

:shock: :lol:
postavila sam vec par 'obrazovnih linkova' :-)

de ti meni reci, citas li ti engleski?
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PostPostao/la Bosanac sa dna kace dana 02/11/2008 01:34

Gaia je napisao/la::shock: :lol:
postavila sam vec par 'obrazovnih linkova' :-)

de ti meni reci, citas li ti engleski?

citam nego sta, men se cini da sam poceo i sanjat na engleskom
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PostPostao/la Gaia dana 02/11/2008 01:41

pa sto se onda stalno nesto bunis? :D
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PostPostao/la Bosanac sa dna kace dana 02/11/2008 02:21

Gaia je napisao/la:pa sto se onda stalno nesto bunis? :D

pa konto sam nesto obimnije, obilatije :-)
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PostPostao/la Kjajević Majko dana 08/11/2008 21:17

Jel ima negdje značenje simbola po svakom stepenu, na ovoj stranici ih stavlja nasumično?
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Kjajević Majko je napisao/la:Jel ima negdje značenje simbola po svakom stepenu, na ovoj stranici ih stavlja nasumično?

kupi knjigu, tamo ima sve :wink:
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PostPostao/la Gaia dana 09/11/2008 15:53

Kjajević Majko je napisao/la:Jel ima negdje značenje simbola po svakom stepenu, na ovoj stranici ih stavlja nasumično?


evo link gdje mozes naci opis svakog stepena, a znacenje pokusaj otkriti u sebi; kakvu viziju i osjecaj bude u tebi. to im i jeste svrha.

http://sabiansymbols.astrologyweekly.com/list.php

link sa kojeg mozes 'skinuti' program "Sabian symbols", u kojem dobijes i opis i univerzalno znacenje simbola, mada, opet nasumicno.

http://www.mysticboard.com/mb-free-sabian-symbols/download-mb-free-sabian-symbols.html

have fun! :)
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PostPostao/la foucault dana 18/11/2008 23:26

o Sabijskim je simbolima sjajno pisao Igor Ognjenovic, astrolog iz Rijeke. Njegovu knjigu toplo preporucujem, a ako nekom treba nek se javi na pm. ipak, cijeloj stvari valja prici s rezervom, jer se sasvim lijepo moze igrati i bez njih, a mnogi koji po njima lupaju ne znaju ni znacaj ascedenta, ni odnose 4. i 10. polja, ni gomilu sustinskih astroloskih pitanja. stoga, preporucujem oprez, jer ljudi koji krenu u atrologiju iz nekog razloga se razloga odusevljaju kojekakvim "sumnjivim uplima": u prvom redu sa Lilith i sjevernim i južnim čvorom, što samo udaljava čovjeka od bilo čega razumnog i našu vještinu izjednačava s nasumicnim pogocima moje kone Zinete koja iz taloga kafe frapira haustor u kojem zivim vec preko 20 godina.
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PostPostao/la Bosanac sa dna kace dana 18/11/2008 23:53

a kako vas to kona Zinka frapira?
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PostPostao/la foucault dana 19/11/2008 00:03

s par odabranih ajeta preporuci se hazreti Fatimi, pa onda pocne ludilo; neko će umrijeti, neko će otići, neko će uspjeti, neko neće, a vrhunac je bio kad je, ničim izazvana prorekla svjetsku finansijsku krizu, nakon koje ce uslijediti rat 2012. za vrijeme kojeg ce Bosna biti postedjena jedino sto ce se u njoj mnogo gladovati.

ipak, i ona mora priznati supremaciju nene Hatme, bezube vjestice koju je u rodnom selu Suha na pružnom prijelazu obogaljio voz 1966. to joj je dalo moc snovidjenja, klervojancije, prekognicije, sto je u spoju sa bacanjem sihira i otkupom noktiju, drevnim zanatom koji se u toj porodici praktikuje odvajkada dalo veliku moc nad priprostim bogobojaznim seljanima lukavačkog kraja. da li će ova fetva protiv sihira koju je u subotnjem "Avazu" najavio prof. Ljevaković tu šta promijeniti ostaje da se vidi, ali za sada mi javljaju da je prestala pustat ploce s ucenjem Kur'ana unazad.
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PostPostao/la Bosanac sa dna kace dana 19/11/2008 23:56

foucault je napisao/la:s par odabranih ajeta preporuci se hazreti Fatimi, pa onda pocne ludilo; neko će umrijeti, neko će otići, neko će uspjeti, neko neće, a vrhunac je bio kad je, ničim izazvana prorekla svjetsku finansijsku krizu, nakon koje ce uslijediti rat 2012. za vrijeme kojeg ce Bosna biti postedjena jedino sto ce se u njoj mnogo gladovati.

ipak, i ona mora priznati supremaciju nene Hatme, bezube vjestice koju je u rodnom selu Suha na pružnom prijelazu obogaljio voz 1966. to joj je dalo moc snovidjenja, klervojancije, prekognicije, sto je u spoju sa bacanjem sihira i otkupom noktiju, drevnim zanatom koji se u toj porodici praktikuje odvajkada dalo veliku moc nad priprostim bogobojaznim seljanima lukavačkog kraja. da li će ova fetva protiv sihira koju je u subotnjem "Avazu" najavio prof. Ljevaković tu šta promijeniti ostaje da se vidi, ali za sada mi javljaju da je prestala pustat ploce s ucenjem Kur'ana unazad.

a koje sabijske simbole koriste???
fakat, cuo sam da je i medju djevojkama u selima oko Modraca popularno da vracaju :-?
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PostPostao/la pure_love dana 20/11/2008 01:43

s par odabranih ajeta preporuci se hazreti Fatimi, pa onda pocne ludilo; neko će umrijeti, neko će otići, neko će uspjeti, neko neće, a vrhunac je bio kad je, ničim izazvana prorekla svjetsku finansijsku krizu, nakon koje ce uslijediti rat 2012. za vrijeme kojeg ce Bosna biti postedjena jedino sto ce se u njoj mnogo gladovati.


dakle istinite su price o famoznoj 2012 godini? :run: :lol: :D
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PostPostao/la Gaia dana 20/11/2008 12:54

foucault je napisao/la:o Sabijskim je simbolima sjajno pisao Igor Ognjenovic, astrolog iz Rijeke. Njegovu knjigu toplo preporucujem, a ako nekom treba nek se javi na pm. ipak, cijeloj stvari valja prici s rezervom, jer se sasvim lijepo moze igrati i bez njih, a mnogi koji po njima lupaju ne znaju ni znacaj ascedenta, ni odnose 4. i 10. polja, ni gomilu sustinskih astroloskih pitanja. stoga, preporucujem oprez, jer ljudi koji krenu u atrologiju iz nekog razloga se razloga odusevljaju kojekakvim "sumnjivim uplima": u prvom redu sa Lilith i sjevernim i južnim čvorom, što samo udaljava čovjeka od bilo čega razumnog i našu vještinu izjednačava s nasumicnim pogocima moje kone Zinete koja iz taloga kafe frapira haustor u kojem zivim vec preko 20 godina.


:lol: :lol: bilo bi zanimljivo upoznati konu Zinetu. ja isto znam jednu nasu konu koja je godinama "citala" iz taloga kafe, sve dok najboljoj prijateljici nije rekla da vidi da ce joj mati umrijeti ubrzo, i ova, kad je kuci dosla, nasla mamu mrtvu u kuhinji. od tada nikada vise nikome u fildzan nije pogledala!

inace, hvala ti na informaciji o I. Ognjenovicu. nasla sam njegov blog i malo prelistala. voljela bih procitati knjigu koju je napisao o Sabijskim simbolima, pa te molim ako ju imas u digi formatu da mi prebacis na pp, ili kako si vec mislio.
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